Exiled Prince Buu Chanh of Vietnam Recognized by Asians Amer

[sarah_pnk]

Rob Vox
Can you please fetch me the sources for that (the letters to our soldiers)? Thanks.
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[Rob Vox]

Hi Sarah,

I wish I had the sources for you on that, but it was part of a segment on the O'Reily factor that I saw the other day. I searched online for but could not find an article on it, apparently the media likes to ignore things that paints liberals in a bad light.

[sarah_pnk]

Thanks anyway.
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[michael]

This is the same Bill O'Reilly that said the South Vietnamese didn't fight for their freedom.

I think its pretty low to teach children to hate our military - but I'm sorry, anything that comes from O'Reilly is pretty one sided.

Thats like me bringing up the instance when Bush ignores the announcement of 9/11 and continues to read a book to the children of Booker Elementary School.

Random instances of ignorance/stupidity should not be the cause for a blanket statement.
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[sarah_pnk]

It is interesting that Bill O'Reilly can bash the Bush Administration so when apparently, Fox is right-wing.
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[Rob Vox]

Michael,

Bill O'Riely is pretty fair. I may not agree with all of his statements but i do agree with alot of his analysis and approach to being fair and balanced. If you do watch him on a regular basis you will see what we are talking about.

He criticizes both sides, liberal and conservative, but it seems to be the liberals who can't take the heat. Liberals think their domain resides in the media, the youth, hollywood, academia. So its no suprise to me to see how hot headed they get when they take some criticisms. They are so used to relying on an obsolete platform of "republicans hate gays, republicans are racists, republicans are greedy corps who don't care about the community."

When you really take a look at republicans today, those ideas are outdated. Many immigrant minorities, primarily the succesful ones who came from a place of communist oppression like the cubans, armenians, vietnamese are disporportinately republican. Look at the appointed minorities in the Bush cabinet.

I can see why liberals hate Bill Oreily (the number one rated cable news show). They are losing grip of their platforms, their arguments are outdated and they need someone to piont theri fingers to. I mean with all of the anti-Bush media coverage and all they still lost the election.

It is their ideas and hateful rhetoric who are out of touch with America. REcall their campaign, 90 percent of their rhetoric was negative criticism about things that went wrong. This is not how you inspire people liberals, it surely is how you indoctrinate your youth though. But sometimes the youth grow out of thier liberalism and realize that they have been a victim of liberal indoctrination. I know i was one of those naive youth.

I mentioned to my roomate the other day, liberlism is poliferated through indoctrination while conservativism is prolferated via self realization. I learned about liberal ideas in college, while I see nothing wrong with liberal ideals such as civil rights, etc. i saw it heading into a way extreme left wing path. It was after college where I eralized that i had been the victim of indoctrination, you see the real world is different from the academic world, I saw things in a better light and realized the flaws in many of the mjor liberal ideas, ie sense of entitledment, raising taxes, penalizing those who strive to create wealth which in turn created jobs and sparks the economy, affrmative action, etc.

It is the extreme Michael Moore liberals who have hyjacked your democratic party, the loud vulgar Whoopie Goldergs whose vulgar statements about our President sucked all the class out of democrats. The far left movement will ignite the demise of the democratic party if it continues in this direction.

Would you not agree with me?

[sarah_pnk]

I like what you say, but not the tone that you say it in-- that is condescending.

Anyway, the far-right also make Conservatives look like fundamentalists.
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[michael]

My statement about Bill O'Reilly is not regarding liberals or conservatives - his view on the Vietnam War is retarded, for the lack of a better term.

I think the extreme liberals have hijacked your party, not the other way around.

All your comments are directed towards the actions of obvious extreme liberals - but you continue to confuse the extreme with the general. Seems to me the conservatives can't get enough of the extreme left, without liberals alot of them would have nothing else to talk about. Try comparing the amount of time on a conservative radio station (KFI 640 in your area) - how much time is spent bashing liberals? How much time is spent talking about the accomplishments of conservatives?

I listen to KOGO down in San Diego all the time (KFI's version in san diego). Rush and Roger spend almost all of their time belittling liberals - in the past week I haven't heard them promote a single conservative iniative (I listen in the morning and the evening).

You talk about how liberals only know how to point fingers - seems to me conservatives must be learning from the liberals then.

As needs change - so do current values. Liberals serve the needs of their community and conservatives serve theirs. If there was no need for one, they would not exist. i would hate it if there was only one party. Conservatives and Liberals make this nation. A one party system is not a democracy.

Again, I'm a liberal - not an extreme liberal - just a plain liberal. I don't prescribe to every "liberal" view, but I agree with liberals in general. Typecasting me and everyone else just shows that you can't or don't want to acknowledge that people are individuals.

I believe that is a great weakness of the conservative mindset.

As for the old topic of "how do we bring down the communist government in Vietnam" - Its simple, we take it over. Through money, influence, and force. There is no light way to go about it. Sanctions didn't work in Iraq and I don't see how flowing more money into communist hands would bring any change.

But whether or not we should is a whole different issue.
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[sarah_pnk]

I agree with most of what Michael said.
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[sarah_pnk]

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1289427/posts

I wonder what happened to this topic? I guess the horse did die.
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[Rob Vox]

Thanks for your comments sarah and micheal, you all drive home some good points.

I must agree that my style of disourse can reach condescending levels, its a thin line that I sometimes have trouble avoiding for some reason. But be assured that my disourse will never reach the Whoopie Goldberge or Micheal Moore level of vulgarness and disgust.

I like to address the extreme wing of my counterparts because to me there is no point in walking the safe middle line when it is the extremists that are trying to magnify their influence on the majority of reason-minded people.

I sure don't consider you guys part of the extreme element of your associated parties and I hope you don't think that of me. For I am certain that I have not made any statements that is considered to be extreme.

But let me make this key point, I see the extreme wing of your party hyjacking the dmeocrats and moving them further left. The dems are moving so far left and I see this as the beginning of your party's demise. Sure they have given us conservatives something to talk about but keep in mind that I was once a liberal.

And you know what I was taught to hate and ridicule as a liberal? I was encouraged to make fun of religious people, label them as intolerant racist, anti-gay, encouraged to hate republicans because they are also all racist anti-gay greedy corporate pigs. I was enouraged hate and distrust everyone with money, and scream a sense of entitlement of my fair share of the pie not because I was supposed to work for but simple because of the color of my skin.

I've seen the world of your party Michael, and parhaps it is not the same liberalism that you were emmersed in, but maybe it is. Liberalism is very attractive and appealing when one is young, not self-reliant, and looking for something to be passionate and angry about, it is a sever form of indoctrination. Especially when all of my teachers had a liberal agenda, hollywood stars like Chris Rock and hyjack minutes from his monologue at the Oscars to poke fun at our presisdent, etc.

You can compare extemes and look at the extreme wing of the republican party but at least republicans are not hyjacked my the extremes of their party. There is much diversity in the republican platform with minorities in the Bush cabniet, moderate hollyewood conservative Governor Arnold running california,...but the liberals are at a disavantage and let me tell you why.

Extreme liberals have better access to the type of media that alot of people are exposed to. this is because extreme hollywood liberals have the advantage of a universal microphone that they can use whenever they feel like making a statement. All they need to do is say something politcal when they are on a talk show or when hosting an award show. there's no denying this fact. That in turn makes the entire liberal platform look extreme.

If some evangelical right wing nut head wants to make a stupid inotelrant statment condeming non-Christians, they are only confined to their niche domain on the religious channel are at worships. There visibility is greatly smaller than the extreme liberals.

Now lets look at moderate conservatives like myself and Sarah, we have the most advantage when it comes to helping our party to stay moderate and not too extreme. With the presence of Fox News, we get to have a fair and balanced outlet to exchange ideas. If you ever watched Fox news programs like Bill Oreily or Hannity and Colmes, you will get a fair and balanced view of moderate independents (Oreily) or moderate consevatives(Hannity) and moderate liberals(Colmes).

You will also get to see them interview extreme liberals and conservatives and measure how different they are from moderate views.

But if you are constantly exposed to the extreme views of the hollywood lefts, we will have no sense of what a moderate view actually is and assume extreme left views to be the moderate view and thus perpetuating the leverage and power that extreme liberals have over their party.

I hope you find this to be an accurate, fair and non-condecending analysis of why the left has been hyjacked by their extreme wing. And you are right in pointing out that the extreme left has somehow hyjacked right wing talk shows, but this is a type of hyjacking that is helpful to us in making your party look too extreme while giving us a whole lot to talk about.

[sarah_pnk]

As a fellow Conservative, I agree with you on most points, if not all and if not more extremely. However, your tone can take away from your argument.

My grandpa despises Bush and did not vote for him, and even he said that "when people are young, they are more liberal, but people grow more Conservative as they grow up."
Usually, younger people are also trying to see what they can push (limits and authority).

As an American I would support all President because our Democracy put him in office although I would not agree with his decisions. I believe being vulgar also takes away from your goal, and the best way to meet your goals is by finding the best solution for all parties possible.
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[Rob Vox]

Thanks for your comments Sarah,

I will work on toning it down for I do agree that it does take away from the points that I am driving home. But nonetheless I am glad that you got to see my points and agree with most of them.

But keep in mind that most of my rhetoric is directed at the most extreme wing of the left. Thus this is why my tone is more agressive when dealing with people who like to teach their kids to hate the military, indoctrinate young minds that the 911 victims had a well deserved death and much more that just keeps my blood boiling whenever I hear them.

Don't get me wrong too, i will attack the extreme wing of the conservative party, yknow the David Duke racists, etc. Also, I do criticize the Bush administration and will continue to do so based on his guest worker program and laxed border policies because if the terrorists are able to smuggle a WMD accross the border, let me tell you that the Bush administration is finished.

[sarah_pnk]

There are other ways to be aggressive.
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