Exiled Prince Buu Chanh of Vietnam Recognized by Asians Amer

[JimTungLe]

[JimTungLe]

[Ly]

[sarah_pnk]

Find something economic about it. Human rights tend to not shout as loud as capital.
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"When the Special Theory of Relativity began to germinate in me, I was visited by all sorts of nervous conflicts... I used to go away for weeks in a state of confusion." Albert Einstein

[Rob Vox]

Sarah,

You are absolutely right, capital is the key here. Capitalism that is. We need strength to choose freedom to come from the people. How do we do that? By showing them what a better quality life they will have under a free enterprise, democratic and capitalistic system.

The problem is that the people of Vietnam are living under a totalitarianism corrputed by drugs and prostitution, all of which are distractions that the pathetic communist regime uses to enslave the minds of the youth.

the government controls the press, the internet exposure, thus preventing them to pose the question, "Is this really the best system for me to live under?"

Its truly a pathetic regime and must be completely wiped out, none of this "letting democracy and communism co-existing together" business because when you think about it, democracy is the antithesis of communism, while a democracy allows for freedom of speech without political imprisonment, communism ultimately garauntees imprisonment if you criticize them.

This is what makes communist regimes so pathetic, I don't see a healthy collaboration of any kind with those subhuman communist leaders, I only ultimate obliteration of their pathetic goverment as the best solution that instills true freedom for the people.

Look at how the USA has kicked Japan and Germany's government asses out of the sky after they won the war, and look at how those countries have advanced and remained free ever since. I mean can anyone imagine if the USA had taken the spinless solution of establishing a collaborative democracy with the Nazi's instead of obliterating Hitler and his entire Nazi party?

This is how you instill freedom and free nations from tyranny my friends, lets not try to be overly sensitive like the UN wussies and make friends with terrorist nations through corrupt oil for food scandals and them hyprocrytocally condemn nations like the US for taking agressive actions against evil regimes when that is exactly what we need to be doing because history has proven again and again that thats how you ensure freedom.

Or we can make like the liberals and preach hatred against governments like the US for actually having the balls to confront evil. I don't go this route because I like many others actaully have the integrity to confront evil rather than retrospectively criticize depensing on where the poltical wind is blowing.

Bottomline, Vietnam's communist regime needs to completely ousted by the people, not covered up through a skeptical co-existence with democracy. No offense Jim my friend, I respect you for your strong integrity and good intentions. Perhaps together, with many others, we will eventually agree on a solution, then we will take action, join forces and bring true freedom to Vietnam.

[sarah_pnk]

I doubt that the US are at war with the Middle East because we wanted to abolish dictatorship regimes. Why are we not in Cuba then? Castro has been holding that position for decades.

It is mostly for our access to oil and to keep Middle Eastern countries in place with us. We cannot have countries monopolizing the resources we need or dare to challenge us.

I agree that the current dictatorships in Communist nations should be destroyed, but how?
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"When the Special Theory of Relativity began to germinate in me, I was visited by all sorts of nervous conflicts... I used to go away for weeks in a state of confusion." Albert Einstein

[Rob Vox]

Hi sarah,

I am glad we are in agreement on some issues. However, I must dissent with you on your assertion that our involvement with the Middle East was motivated by oil. the oil may be a perk but the bottom line is that we are taking pre-emptive actions to eliminate potential threats.

Free nations are less likely to engage in acts of violence. The reason we are not in Cuba is that the muslim extremist who want to kill us all do not reside in Cuba. They reside in the middle east. Its just that simple dear.

While the liberals rant and complain about our pre-emptive actions, the fact is that the liberals have no vision. They are a failed party of pathetic hypocracy.

Sarah, I know you are a moderate conservative so you might agree with me on how pathetic, hateful, viscious, ignorant, self-absorbed and conceded the liberals of today are with their iditoic Howard Dean Michael Moorish rhetoric.

A classic liberal excuse, "We should have invaded Iran or North Korea instead where the real threat is" How pathetic! The liberals will be the first ones to whine and run away with their tails between their legs like they always do if we ever did invade Iran or North Korea. I mean can anyone see these liberals supporting a pre-emptive strike against Iran or North Korea? They'll wine and complain and run away scared like they always do regardless of what country we go to war with. You can't win with these pathetic liberals.

So back to the topic at hand, how do we bring down the communist government in Vietnam? We use capital, get the people to see the light of our systems by introducing our way of life to them. Many companies will invest and outsource to Vietnam in the near future. Business will boom at an alarming rate and so this will bring commerce to the people as well as to the pathetic regime. They key is to find a way that directly benefits the people more than the government officials so that the people will ultimately take it upon them and rise up against their oppression. Thats the tricky part, how do we get around the corruption of the communists? For they will surely hog whatever profits come up and take it from the people.

[sarah_pnk]

I said, " or dare to challenge us," which meant that they were potential threats; we are a capitalistic country so we rely on our access to natural resources. The Middle East has the most oil, and we do not want to tap our own yet.
I forgot to mention that another reason why we are smacking them around is because they support terrorists.

I will not agree with you on such a general accusation; plus, I just don't bother to dwell on what I think is wrong. I act according to what I believe is right.

That is why I disagreed with JimTungLe about Buu Chanh's effectiveness; I believe that the only way we can convince and influence the VN government is by economic measures. The USA has enough power to do that, but is VN of interest? How does the USA profit?

I actually believe we are going to Iran and North Korea next, and I have no problem with that. Just the thought of irresponsible leaders with nukes scares me to death. I just hope the USA finds a wise way to control it.
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"When the Special Theory of Relativity began to germinate in me, I was visited by all sorts of nervous conflicts... I used to go away for weeks in a state of confusion." Albert Einstein

[Ly]

You see, Viet Nam does not have oil for US to come. VN does not have nuclear weapons for other nations to negotiate. VN does not even have the population or the right environment for the capitalism to foster. Thus, I don't think that we will see US or capitalism come to the rescue any day soon. So, how can capitalism be of any threats to VN communists?

[sarah_pnk]

*did not say that capitalism was a threat to VN*

*merely stated that VN would not be rescued by the USA until it had something that the USA would want*
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"When the Special Theory of Relativity began to germinate in me, I was visited by all sorts of nervous conflicts... I used to go away for weeks in a state of confusion." Albert Einstein

[Ly]

[sarah_pnk]

Ah, I see. Sorry, you meant that capitalism did not pose a threat to VN's current dictatorship; I read that as the people of VN.
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"When the Special Theory of Relativity began to germinate in me, I was visited by all sorts of nervous conflicts... I used to go away for weeks in a state of confusion." Albert Einstein

[Ly]

Other rants and raves about liberalism deleted to save bandwidth.

[Rob Vox]

Gee thanks alot Ly for deleting my liberal bashing in order to save bandwith,...hmmm, I guess I have been harsh on the liberals lately. But tell me if this doesn't get your blood boiling,

An elementary class room wrote letters to US soldiers serving abroad that consisting of accusing the soldiers of killing innocent Iraqi's. Some of them stated along the terms of, "Why are you killing innocent civilians? I disapprove of your actions." These are letters that have already been screened by the teachers.

This coming from kids, imagine if your were a US soldier risking your life for our freedom and recieving such a letter from back home. Its just plain sad that even our kids are indoctrinated by liberal teacher to think in a one-sided manner with a low-level primtive thinking military-hating liberal mentality.

A decent teacher would have the kids at least adjust their accusations and not accuse that soldier (who by the way was in South Korea when he recieved the letter) of specifically and deliberately killing innocent civilians.

Sadly, the liberals today teach their kids to think one-sidedly. They instill and teach the hatred of America in anti-war and anti-Bush and anti-military forms.

Mulsim student orgs on campus welcome pro-terrorism speakers to speak at public universities all the time.

You can see the same type of indoctrination at a university in Iran with the Wuhabi extreme Mulsim sect.

It almost looks as if the liberals, extreme muslim americans, muslim extremists world-wide and terrorists have indirectly joined the same cause in defeating America.

And as Iraq becomes a democracy, you can see the liberals scrambling to squeeze something negative out of the situation, but the truth is, they can't. With an over 50% percent turnout of registered voters the iraqi elections was an extreme success. Liberals will never admit it because they have been indoctrinated to think one-sidely and hate everything that the military or Bush does even when it is the right thing to do and the outcomes have proven so.

Liberals have lost their abilty to think with reason, but they are pretty good at hating and looking at the glass as half-empty. The Michael Moore liberals of today must be filled with so much hatred, anger and pessimism. They make the agrument that American Soldiers are dying for a false cause and then they accuse them of deliberately killing innocent people.

The US soldiers are put in a situation where any potential iraqi civilian could be a potential terrorist bomber. Or course their is going to be collatoral damage in this case, but the difference is that civilian causualites on behalf of the US military are all collateral, whereas the beheadings, car bombs, etc on behalf of the insurgence all directly target innocent Iraqi and Iraqi forces.

Apparently, most liberals seem to lack this mental capacity and are ready to accuse the military of inhuman acts. Liberals do not speak on behalf on the military about the issues on Iraq. The military overwhelmingly supports US actions in Iraqi and are there to build infrastructure and help the people. So the next time a liberal wants to flap open their whining mouths, keep in mind they don't speak on behalf of our men and women in uniform. With their one-sided thinking, they only speak on behalf of those who have indoctrinated them and hence you can see how such terrible letters written to our brave and honarable soldiers came to be.

[Ly]